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And Now... the Daughters of Frya

And Now, the Daughters of Frya (nope, not a typo):

Edit: Who were a hoax. The troll admits it (see comments), and while I suppose it's possible that someone random could have picked up on it and made something good of it, the site's gone also. I've left the rest of this post as-is, it's just behind a cut.

http://www.angelfire.com/folk/frya/

Hey, walkyrja, did you miss the Book of Oera Linda when putting your Freyjabok together? I mean, the book says its first bits were written in 2194 BCE, when Atland (Atlantis) went blub... and never mind that the paper of the manuscript appears to be from around 1850.

For those of you who'd rather not be disturbed by wading through bad website design (light green on dark green! All text is centered! I smack your style sheet with a dead haddock!) and prose that, verily, makes the Book of Mormon look well-written (their, ah, first appearances are somewhat contemporary), a brief summary for your wincing reading pleasure.

Would you like to be a member of this order? They have three simple rules:

1. Abstain from all intoxicants and sexual activity of any kind

2. At all times wear the short white tunic, or Tohnekka, as a symbol of purity

3. Bend their knees in devotion to Wr-alda for six hours each day


Those of you who are familiar with, um, more mainstream depictions of Freyja can rejoin me after scratching your heads and a chorus of, "wait... what?"

The manuscript is rather riddled with anachronisms and, to my mind, a bit of crypto-Christianity. The group picture on the website, according to one source, was nicked from a shot of a tennis team. The group may have been a joke, or they may be sincere--reply hazy, ask again later. Except for that matrilineal feminism, it's easy to see how the OLB became a darling of nationalist, and *cough* national socialist movements: most peoples on earth are descended from Frya's sisters, and her sisters were bad, bad, naughty people. Frya's descendants are, of course, nice and pretty and wonderful, ancestors of probably, the Frisians (the manuscript's origins and original language are definitely Frisian)--I admit my eyes began to cross here and I had to stop. The Magyars in particular are very bad, bad, naughty people, which would also tie in with an 1850 authorship date, as Hungary would have just broken away from Austria in 1848.

From my perspective, a certain crypto-Christianity abounds. Another quote, this one describing Wr-alda, father of Frya:

1. Hail to all the well-intentioned Children of Frya!

2. Through you Irtha shall become holy.

3. Learn and announce to the people that Wr-alda is the ancient of ancients, for he created all things.

4. Wr-alda is all in all, for he is eternal and everlasting.

5. Wr-alda is everywhere but invisible, and therefore is called a spirit. All that we can see of him are the created beings who come to life through him and go again, because from Wr-alda all things proceed and return to him.

6. Wr-alda is the beginning and the end.

7. Wr-alda is the only mighty being, because from him all strength comes, and returns to him. Therefore he alone is the creator, and nothing exists without him.

8. Wr-alda established eternal principles, upon which the laws of creation were founded, and no good laws could stand on any other foundation.

9. But although everything is derived from Wr-alda, the wickedness of men does not come from him. Wickedness comes from heaviness, carelessness, and stupidity; therefore they may well be injurious to men, but never to Wr-alda.

10. Wr-alda is wisdom, and the laws that he has made are the books from which we learn, nor is any wisdom to be found or gathered but in them.

11. Men may see a great deal, but Wr-alda sees everything. Men can learn a great deal, but Wr-alda knows everything. Men can discover much, but to Wr-alda everything is open. Mankind are male and female, but Wr-alda created both. Mankind love and hate, but Wr-alda alone is just. Therefore Wr-alda is good, and there is no good without him.

12. In the progress of time all creation alters and changes, but goodness alone is unalterable; and since Wr-alda is good, he cannot change. As he endures, he alone exists; everything else is show.


But at least there's a bit in there about respecting the Earth (here personalised as Irtha)--we could always use more of that, goodness knows.

They'd like to swap links with the Hrafnar site--I am disinclined to acquiesce to their request. If someone's decided to make a go of being a Daughter of Frya because reading the Oera Linda Book, more power to them, as they have a few good ideas, but even I--not on the lunatic fringe of heathenry but I can see it from here--would have a hard time accepting what I would classify as an essential monotheism as a Germanic reconstructionist faith.

I Am Trying To Be Nice, Here: one man's religion remains another man's belly laugh, and I don't know that we won't be a laughingstock in one hundred fifty years--but, er, wow. This one's rather large to swallow. That this, according to the all-knowing hivemind of Wikipedia, was a probable influence on Blavatsky, and through her, Spiritualism, really doesn't help.

-- Lorrie

Current Location: work
Current Mood: confusedboggled
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Comments

baby witchchild is crying. CRYING I tell you.

whether it's from mental pain or laughing too hard remains to be seen...

I Am TRYING to Be Charitable, Here.

Really. I might, y'know, be snarkier verbally. 8-P

-- Lorrie

That makes my brain hurt. And my knees aren't far behind (six hours of kneeling? Or is that deep knee bends? Either way....)

I know! The paaaaain!

-- Lorrie

Owww...

Yis...

-- L

Well that sucked, and not in a good way.

Of course, this presents us with a dilemma - as a Freyrsman myself, how does one get down on one's knees for six hours each day, and remain sexually chaste? ;-P

Well... yeah. And may I just say that those short skirts do not help. At all.

-- Lorrie

(no subject) - (Anonymous)

*snicker*

What the????????????????????

...yeah.

-- L

Check out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oera_Linda

You might ask Gerd Groenewald for more information, but everything I've heard about the Oera Linda Book just screams "hoax", which seems to be the scholarly consensus. I do vaguely remember that it's cited in Raymond Buckland's books on Seax-Wica, but that's just going by memory here.

According to

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daughters_of_Frya

there are several hoax Daughters of Frya Websites which aren't actually connected to the real DoF, which is a real organization based in Australia.

Y'know, if I'd read more closely, I wold no doubt have noticed that you already referenced Wikipedia.

Duuh. . .

that's a nice picture of their knees, at least....

The Daughters of Frya turned up at The Cauldron: a pagan forum a year or so ago and was eventually admitted to be a hoax. The DoF website was taken down but has now reappeared, along with the Wikipedia article (currently tagged for deletion.) Opinion is divided as to whether there really is something icky about the way the hoaxer keeps using photos of school girls' sporting teams. The wilder flights of fancy are entertaining: my current favourite is the winter solstice gathering to be held in Norway - presumably in the tennis dresses?

I wonder how many offers to swap links have been made? Like the Wikipedia article, links add to the appearance of authenticity and probably do something for the DoF site's Google rating as well.

The Daughters of Frya turned up at The Cauldron: a pagan forum a year or so ago and was eventually admitted to be a hoax.

Right--I dug around in Google and found links where someone said, "Ha! They're a hoax and I proved it!" and similar, but not the one that said, "I did it, it's total rubbish, and yes I nicked that picture from the Thus-and-So Tennis Team".

The DoF website was taken down but has now reappeared, along with the Wikipedia article (currently tagged for deletion.)

Right--it had had more stuff in it when I first looked at it, including a drive-by edit that said "The Daughters of Frya is a hoax." (sic) Now there's a lot less stuff and, of course, the "delete me quick" tag.

When I originally posted that, there was a little more to go with--and frankly, I've seen stranger groups built on less, so I gave them the benefit of the doubt that they might be genuine, while not giving them the link they asked for on provable, verifiable grounds.

Opinion is divided as to whether there really is something icky about the way the hoaxer keeps using photos of school girls' sporting teams.

Honestly, my first speculation was that there was secretly a guy in charge of this whole mess, and that sex with him as a manifestation of Wr-alda didn't count against your abstinence rating--therefore the girls were real, and were faceless as a way of reinforcing their lack of individuality, for they were all one in service to Frya and Wr-alda.

There could be a lot of mileage in that, mostly as cheesy fantasy fodder.

The wilder flights of fancy are entertaining: my current favourite is the winter solstice gathering to be held in Norway - presumably in the tennis dresses?

Their love of Frya would keep them warm!

I wonder how many offers to swap links have been made? Like the Wikipedia article, links add to the appearance of authenticity and probably do something for the DoF site's Google rating as well.

Doubtless!

-- Lorrie

(Anonymous)
Oera Linda Book

The Oera Linda book is very likely not a hoax. I came to this conclusion
after reading the original and reproducing it and making a word for word
translation. It contains so many detail on the origine of words, especilly
dutch and english words, that a hoax is very unlikely. Unfortunately not
everyone speaks dutch. Therefore I have also made a literal english
translation. Hardly anybody has ever read the original because it has not
been published untill very recently. But only in a very small copy. And
even the original is hard to read simply becaus eit is writen with a
feather and ink. And because nobody has done serious study, exept Ottema
and Overwijn, everyone believes the OLB to be a hoax, forgetting that at
the time it was found it mostly posed a threat to the monopoly-position
of the church and the bible. And even today this witch-hunt is still going
on.

My website: http://home.hetnet.nl/~ae.de.heer/IndexScript.htm

with enough intrest in the subject it is likely that I will publish
a book about my research, including the reproduced original text.

Re: Oera Linda Book

Please understand:

I'm not saying that the Oera Linda Book is a late twentieth, or even early twenty-first century hoax. The Daughters of Frya were, however, and have admitted this in public forum.

As for the book, evidence would appear to indicate that it was probably written in the mid-nineteenth century, and is roughly contemporary with the Book of Mormon and similar works. I've actually read it--not the translation provided by the DoF because they also admit they rewrote parts, but other translations. There are a lot of concerns addressed in the OLB had that have no cultural context in pre-conversion Europe as far as I know, but would have had a lot of context in the mid-to-late-nineteenth century.

There's also the matter of the age of the paper of the earliest known manuscript, but as the book says that one is supposed to edit it, that's not necessarily relevant.

But, still--being written a hundred fifty years ago doesn't mean it can't be used as the basis for a faith. It doesn't make it untrue, but it does make it not old, and its claims, at best, unverifiable.

-- Lorrie